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Coping with Personality Disorders => Separating & Divorcing => Topic started by: Gettintired76 on November 21, 2021, 06:05:28 PM

Title: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 21, 2021, 06:05:28 PM
Ok so my ex has decided that "for the safety of the children" I am no longer allowed to see them. The kids want me to spend time with me on Thanksgiving, but the only way she will allow it is if I go with her and her new b/f, which I am very uncomfortable with. Should I bite the bullet and deal with the abuse I'm positive she will dish out with dinner or should I refuse which I know will hurt the kids. Any advice please. Ya know its like someone else posted, when does it end? We've been broken up over a month, she has a new guy living with her, and she is still calling me everyday, texting me late at night, still wanting me to deal with her issues, But at the same time she tells me I cant move on.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 21, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
I don't know. Is it an option to just stop by? This you can connect with the kids but minimize your exposure to toxicity?

Make sure you have full control over your own movements - don't accept a ride from them, make your own arrangements.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 21, 2021, 09:25:11 PM
There in lies the problem I will have to ride with them and dropping by isn't an option because I won't have a way there unless someone she doesn't want around be there as well. I love how she has complete say over who is around the kids but I have no say
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 21, 2021, 09:49:47 PM
If it were me I'd wait for a time that I could control my own movements.

I understand she'll exploit this with the kids... she will anyway. Just use any opportunity you can to maintain your relationship when you can stay safe.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 25, 2021, 03:15:41 AM
She ran with the, I have no idea where other then it is an Hour+away, she claims due to "safety concerns" involving my family she won't give me the location or address and we have to meet at a police station basically so I can be frisked. It's so unbelievable how everyone is believing her lies and destroying someone just on her word.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 25, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
So I had Thanksgiving Dinner with my kids at a restaurant today, their mother dropped them off told me to call her when we were finished so she could come get them. Well me and the kids had a wonderful relaxed time. But when it came time to leave their mother would not answer her phone and I and my sister both called multiple times. So myself and my sister had to take the kids home, so now since she wouldn't answer the phone and person she doesn't want around her kids had to take them home I'm no longer allowed around the kids.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 25, 2021, 05:44:27 PM
Who says you're no longer allowed?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Rose1 on November 26, 2021, 12:44:43 AM
Unless she has a court order it's all noise. The police station is a good idea, keeps her under control. I would ask the police to demand a court order from her, not let the kids go with anyone else, advise her you will wait 15 min for turnup, then leave.

You have as much right to look after the kids that she does with no court orders in place. If the police insist in frisking you ask for her to be frisked too. You never know what they will find. Don't let her bully you . Someone knows the ropes, probably someone she knows
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 26, 2021, 12:50:53 AM
She does she stated I forfeited my rights to seeing them. Later at about 10 she started texting me, telling me to stop interrogating our children when I have them, I didn't interrogate anyway they divulged info of there own free will. Oh and she called me at about 7:30 wanting me over to turn off the grill which is mine yet another thing she insists is her and she is keeping, seems her b/f and brother-in-law left it going and took off. She got upset because I told the children goodnight. She wants me to take her cat but she won't give me my puppy back either, she promised she was keeping him a week for worming then returning him to me. Shortly changing her mind and refusing to return him.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 26, 2021, 01:00:35 AM
I have considered that Rose. It concerns me greatly that she is letting someone she met on a dating site maybe 4 months way out in the country. But I have no say she has all the say. My daughters informed me yet again that yes he does discipline them my Autistic 11yr old said he picked her up and threw her in the car jumped on her and started screaming at her. My ten yr old said they have to stay on the couch or they get punishments...from him. When I went there tonight my 11 yr old was grounded (for about the 500th time in two wks) She told me the girls wanted just me to eat with them that my mom couldn't come, later when my mom rode with my sister to pick me up the girls said they did want her and my youngest demanded I take mom back in the restaurant to eat with her. That's what I hate the most, the kids being put in the middle. And she really doesn't see or care I think, what she's doing to them. It's all just about control like EM once said.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 26, 2021, 01:52:58 AM
That she met 4 months ago move her way out in the country
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on November 26, 2021, 03:27:16 AM
Getintired, you need to report her to the police. Also, you need to find out if you can get any legal help and a lawyer. You need to step this up now, she is not suitable for the kids and you need to fight for them.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Rose1 on November 26, 2021, 06:02:25 AM
Have you got a copy of the order?  We're you invited to court? More noise.

Its difficult when engulfed by fear of a ballistic response. 

However, I found found out that they do this because they can, and because it works.

Realistically minimum time should be 50/50 but with that reported abuse jail time seems  possibility.  Should that happen,  move with the kids and no forwarding address imo.

I agree, time to get authorities involves.
BTW I found that my fear of bad behaviour kept me chained. As soon as I got sick of my chain being yanked and had some consequences for the pd, ie he had to do some running around, suddenly I got improved behaviour.  Didn't last but its a nice break.

Your situation seems much more violent potentially.  Mine threatened but it was more for control. So you need to play it differently perhaps. But your children are being abused and what is happening sounds criminal to me. Not something for divorce courts but criminal courts.  Police can bring charges.

Why are you letting these people into your house? Or answering stupid phone calls? You're separated and she has no business behaviour like that.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 26, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
I couldn't agree more. My 11 yr old would and will be devastated without me around she worships me (she's the one with autism) I'm not being egotistical she really is a mega daddy's girl. My youngest is identical to EM's GC she acts totally different when it's just us. She is doing this in an attempt to make me look incompetent and irresponsible and inconsiderate of our agreement. Even though she knew damn well I wouldn't leave the kids sitting in the cold when I had a way home for them.I have contacted the police when he first moved in there, there exact words were "I don't know what you want me to do about it, she can have whoever she wants there." Oh and btw my daughter stated she told him to "deal" with her she was busy. I feel she knew exactly what she was doing when she dumped me she knew I had no way to do anything nothing to do with and she rubs it in my face all the stuff she is doing everything he does for the kids because I won't that he has to be their father because I'm worthless. She claims my family is abusive, I'm going to go ahead and tell the situation and let you decide. I have 3 sisters, the oldest isn't around much, but sadly she is just like my ex. The middle one she's better, but anyway my middle sister has spanked both girls, by that I mean a quick swat on the butt or thigh nothing more. And last summer my youngest daughter got my moms mail out of her box to take to her, my youngest sister didn't know what the kid was doing because the kid was running around the yard with it instead of bringing it in, anyway my sis went to catch by grabbing her should and accidentally left marks on her. That's it in a nutshell, you her sister and b/ f can discipline and decide if my kids see me, but my family can not hardly even speak to the kids or there are repercussions. Like I say that's the backstory.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 26, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
About going to the police, all I have is what my daughters told me no physical proof, so will they still listen? I mean yes my kids have volunteered and I emphasize volunteered I never asked, about the disciplinary actions used there. But that's all I have.... their word...and their mother swears they are lying when they say something happens there.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on November 27, 2021, 05:51:55 AM
I am not sure about the laws where you are Getintired76, but if you report that your kids are being abused by her mum and bf I would expect them to interview/talk to the kids. Are there social services you can use instead of the police? When I finally told someone about the abuse, and  I did not tell everything, I told my doctor who reported the abuse both to the social services and the police. Social then contacted school who spoke to both kids, although knowing my kids neither would have said anything was wrong. Would your kids protect her or would they tell what is going on? My GC would never say the real truth, but I think she would slip up as she firmly believe her mum is the best and is always right. SG would probably tell what is going on if she knows she would not end up in trouble for what she says. If the police or social use trained therapists/specialists they should be able to get the truth out of kids.

 
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 27, 2021, 07:17:06 AM
That's the clincher my youngest, the GC may very well slip up and spill the beans, my middle daughter will most definitely spill the whole dinner table probably about everything that's happened the last 6 yrs of her life. My son will either clam up or protect his mother which he has already started to do. However if my middle daughter got any idea that her mother might be there she may clam up, as she did during the investigation of my ex's brother in law in 2016. My daughter knew her mother didn't want anything said so she didn't speak of it. This is the same brother in law she has living there now. Lastly My lawyer advised against social services because my a) threatened multiple times to run with the kids and b) she has threatened to kill herself and the kids to make sure I didn't get them.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 27, 2021, 07:19:39 AM
I considered anonymously posting a pic of her dating profile she still has up and active to her boyfriends messenger but I'm afraid he may snap and hurt her or the kids.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 27, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
He has a compound bow sitting out on the porch with broad heads right now.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 27, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
Yeah, don't mess around with sending dating profiles or anything like that. Let that go.

I don't have the knowledge or experience to advise you about reports. It seems to me CPS (DCF or whatever) is the one to report to but I really can't guess what the outcome would be.

That your lawyer would say not to report because of threats to harm the kids is mind blowing.

I understand you are limited by funds. Can you try to Google DV organizations in your area that are friendly to men (we need so many more of these!)? Obviously you are personally out of the situation but you need help with your kids.

If I were in your shoes I'd be thinking about making calls to these outfits and saying something like:

My relationship recently ended, but my children are still in an abusive situation with their mother and her boyfriend. Are there any resources you can offer to help me protect my children?

I think you should have some ducks in a row before making any further report. You need legal representation from a lawyer who is interested in your case and will work pro bono. I bet such a lawyer exists but granted will be quite difficult to find. The way to find that lawyer, though, is to start asking around, make calls, etc. I know this is hard.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Poison Ivy on November 27, 2021, 11:09:09 AM
 :yeahthat:
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 27, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
So we had an awesome time at the movie the girls and my mom loved it, had dinner at Shoney's it was a blast until we had to take the girls home neither one wanted to go and we literally had to drag my oldest out of the car kicking and screaming, my ex took of somewhere with her b/f and turned her phone off so neither me nor her sister could get ahold of her to ask if the kid could stay with me tonight. So of course a wonderful night ending in ruin because of her bologna.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 27, 2021, 10:21:31 PM
Sounds like a game she's playing on purpose.

What would happen if you tried to call a couple times, shrugged, and took the kids home with you?

I forgot, is there any court order?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 12:14:18 AM
All hell would break loose she'd call the cops for kidnapping they'd believe her I'd go to jail and my daughter would be traumatized for life
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 12:20:29 AM
I was wandering... I have no custody right? But I've made appointments before... she has yet as far as I know made an appointment for my daughters for a dentist and they well at least my oldest haven't seen a dentist in three maybe four years her teeth are horrendous and she has stopped eating because it hurts can I still make an appointment? My youngest has seen one recently but it ended bizarrely and it actually wasn't my ex's fault they didn't tell me they didn't accept my insurance until I got there and she was seen but most bizarre they are a pediatric dentist my girls are pediatric patients but they wouldn't do anything because they had adult teeth again they knew their ages before I took my daughter so they should have known at least approximately what teeth she had.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 12:27:54 AM
And my son has not had any medical attention since 2014? It's like he doesn't exist. I declared paternity of him in her home state in 2018 can she turn around and grant him paternity and give my son his name and everything despite that or is it locked now that they have the father declared? She still refuses to give him my name or anything.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 03:28:53 AM
Also I am overwhelmed at how awesome the waitstaff and management were at Shoney's tonight even thought they were gonna close in 20 minutes and we were the last customers there they treated my girls like queens, they ate free of charge, had everybody there gushing over them and the main manager gave them free beanie babies and upon finding out how much my the 11yr old ( the autistic) loved there jello let her take all they had left home with her. She was standing at the edge of the kitchen door way asking every question under the sun and waiter on the line answered everyone and offered to give her a tour of the kitchen itself the next time she came in.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 09:06:54 AM
Awesome about Shoney's :) They are not in my area but I have some fond memories eating there a few times as a kid when my family travelled.

I'm sorry if you've explained all this before, if so, I don't recall.

But has your ex been awarded full custody?
Or is everybody just making assumptions about everything?

You say you declared paternity of your son, legally. Are the other children yours biologically and/or legally?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 09:49:25 PM
Mine biologically and legally in as much I'm on their birth certificates, now as far as I've had it explained to me on several occasions she was awarded full custody and rights from birth. One thing that buggers me I hear and see theses situations where the man had to or chose to "sign his rights away" I feel I never had any rights to sign away and that is basically what it said on a legal website I looked at it stated " if unmarried even if the father is on the birth certificate the father has no custody or rights until established by the court"
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 09:55:31 PM
Also she has refused repeatedly to do anything in the courts every time she dumps me she threatens it but never does it. And tonight she did what I knew she would do... her go to.... She accused me of molesting our daughter. Also when I tried to discuss with her what our kids told me on thanksgiving she exploded defending him tooth and nail had the kids defending him started insulting me screaming and cussing at me stated he threatened to call the police on my sister and I was just angry that he was being the father I refuse to be and everything. It was a mess. I should have known better next time I won't say anything I will just go to the police.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 10:04:37 PM
So the question is, do you have the means to establish some degree of custody legally?

I'll take your word that you have no inherent rights in your jurisdiction.

I wonder what you could do in the meantime when she yanks your chain by being unreachable when a visit is over. I really don't know, but options I can think of would be to just take the kids home and let her figure it out, and if cops are called stay super calm, show them your call records tryingvto reach her, and count on your kids to back you up. And the key thing is to stay calm. But that's not legal advice, man, I have no idea what your risk would be there.

Or pre-emptively call the police non emergency line and say your ex is unreachable, you're afraid she'll use the opportunity to report you, but you plan to just take the kids home to wait until she shows up. And stay caaaaaalm.

She obviously loves yanking your chain and in your shoes I'd be going nuts. But I'd try to keep that from showing at all. She shows up and starts screaming at you. You just say "you weren't answering your phone. It was cold. We went home." And shrug everything off. No big deal. Whatever. Seeya. Bye kids, love you guys. Night.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
I do know her Dad took them from her for about 3 months in 2016, and I appeared in court down there every time she went up but where I'm hearing impaired I couldn't hear a thing they were saying they never came to me to make arrangements and my name was even on any of the documentation. I was told later.... By the court I didn't even need to be there it didn't involve me.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 10:09:33 PM
Yeah, don't discuss anything with her. Nothing. You might report it but discussing it with her is worse than useless.

I would really like to see you with a lawyer who is interested in your case. The molestation accusations are another thing you want to get ahead of.

It seems to me like you having an interested lawyer could then lead to a cps report and then hopefully some oversight of the kids' situation plus some custody for you.

Again, I don't have any experience here. But it's a bad situation and I just hate to see it.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:12:54 PM
That pisses her off more then anything funnilyif I stay aloof of her she literally gets crazy and starts swearing I'm doing stuff starts bringing up stuff literally from 15 yrs ago that really don't amount to anything and swears they prove her point. What she doesn't realize is everything she has done since kind of negates all that. And if she's heard it really makes her sound desperate to find something on me. She can never find anything recent to use either. It's funny she swears she has never cheated me that I did on her, her example? A I girl I worked with 15 yrs ago put her legs on her desk while wearing a miniskirt showing everything she had and I happened to see it ( I was at the next desk)
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
She claims she's moving them into a nice house....way out in the country... but judging by the car he bought I'm not sure. Also she has only known this guy like maybe 3 months and she has cut everybody off except her sister (and she wanted to cut her out, but her sis refused it) and is now letting him move her way out away from everyone
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 10:16:34 PM
Ok, yeah, I'm hearing impaired too, in a case like that you'll need someone who can help you out, a friend or something. I know how it is, you miss everything that's going on. Do you have hearing aids? I used to use the "real" kind but I can't afford them anymore. About a year ago I tried a cheaper pair and they are working great for me. Granted, they are still hundreds (not thousands though!).
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:19:09 PM
No I don't if I needed anything like that I was a hypochondriac and selfish so I went without I went without glasses and teeth for almost the whole time we were together because she said I didn't need them and they made me look ugly.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:21:39 PM
She and her dad refused to help me in court I'd asked what was said and they'd say nothing don't worry about and stuff I felt like a useless brick standing in what seemed to me silence. I could see the judges mouth but I swear it was like he was mouthing not really speaking.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
She claims she's moving them into a nice house....way out in the country... but judging by the car he bought I'm not sure. Also she has only known this guy like maybe 3 months and she has cut everybody off except her sister (and she wanted to cut her out, but her sis refused it) and is now letting him move her way out away from everyone

Don't worry about it. It might happen but until then it's all talk. Your focus should not be on the stuff she talks about that maybe will maybe won't happen. The focus is on whether you have the ability to get a competent and interested lawyer - somehow. Everything else is distraction.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 10:25:39 PM
Well, your ex and her family aren't going to be your friends in court. You can figure that part out down the road, though. The first hurdle is whether you're going to be able to pursue anything legally.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Your right but she claims they are moving in there tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 10:54:38 PM
Thing is she said he left went back to the state she has sworn he lives in but his Facebook states he lives here in this state
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 11:06:28 PM
Forget his Facebook. Who knows who's lying about what and why. It doesn't matter to you.

I know it hurts that she left.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 11:16:46 PM
Honestly square I don't care that she left, I was out of the relationship a long time ago, every says I'm disgruntled that she left. What hurts me is she is what she is doing to my kids. On Thanksgiving my 14 yr old was a nervous mess afraid he was going or his sisters were going to say something wrong, trying to play cover up with anything the girls said. Very evasive about what he's been up to because she has him convinced that I will get mad at him if he tells me. But yes it matters who's lying and why when she could have a monster living with my kids. Just saying. Not mad or trying to be smart or anything. But no it doesn't hurt at all that she's gone.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on November 28, 2021, 11:27:24 PM
You're right that the lies are a big deal when it comes to the kids. Sorry about that. I misunderstood your line of thought.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 28, 2021, 11:29:37 PM
Your fine no need to apologize at all we've done to much of that haven't we
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on November 29, 2021, 01:40:05 AM
Thanks for talking me through this tonight I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 03, 2021, 06:18:09 AM
Ok so on the home front a) I may be moving myself because the railroad offered me a job in a city 3 hrs away, b) my son accidentally told me the county they are moving to, which is also the county her new boyfriend lives in so put 2 and 2 together. I go to see my lawyer next Thursday, I hope I get at least start getting the papers filed and get some of this settled before I have to move. Wish me luck
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 06, 2021, 12:38:06 AM
Ok so I had a one on one well one on two because my son was in on it as well with my ex, I voiced my concerns, decided not to even try to explain why I don't like his moms new b/f (non issue) but I think everything that was said just went in one ear and out the other. So I guess I'm done talking, but on a good note I have my daughters for the night, sleeping like the angels they can sometimes be, lol.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on December 13, 2021, 05:10:56 AM
How are you getting on Gettintired76?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 14, 2021, 03:23:42 AM
Im not really, I feel hopeless and that I guess everyone is right I'm a worthless f-up everything's my fault and I just need to give up cause I'll never be able to compete with the kids new dad. I just need to give the kids over to him even though I found out he's a three time convicted murderer (background check)
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 14, 2021, 03:24:22 AM
So it's whatever
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on December 14, 2021, 06:35:21 AM
I am really sorry that you are going through a touch period. I can't really advice you on what to do, but remember the new guy is in the idealisation period now and will get devalued at some point. If he is a convicted murderer as you say, its likely he is a PD himself and then I guess your ex would not get her supply for long and might be on her way out (if she can escape). Until then, remember it's not you, you were just a victim of a PD and suffered for being a kind and loving person.

All the strength to you!
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 23, 2021, 11:08:03 PM
I have no doubt he is a old, he is on his 4th job in as many months, just out of a homeless shelter an then halfway house. But aside all that the control issue he has goin with my ex. It's all about him whatever he wants it's frightening really.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 25, 2021, 12:18:43 AM
One thing tho she more or less gave me custody of my 11 yr old daughter, seems she could not sway her to like the guy and and the child  wanted only to be with her Daddy lol she is sleeping peacefully in her bed as we speak waiting on Santa!
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on December 25, 2021, 10:21:40 AM
WONDERFUL news, I am so happy!!

Your ex may demand her back sooner or later, though. I don't know what you should do if that's the case, perhaps you can start a new thread to get some input.

Because you would be in a stronger position legally after having custody for a while. I don't see why you would have to hand her back just because ex might demand it.

I know nothing but first please start documenting that you have her - photos, journals, etc. Is she school aged? Become the official contact for the school, your name and phone number, have actual interactions with teachers and staff demonstrating your status as a fully involved parent.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 25, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
Way ahead of you lol and today she dropped my other 2 off seems she still doesn't have electricity. Sooo I don't know what's going to happen
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on December 25, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
I hope you have a good and peaceful time :)
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on December 26, 2021, 01:12:14 PM
I am struggling to follow your story fully, but have you got all you children back at your home now? If so, I am so happy for you.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 27, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
At the moment all three are with me, however the oldest and youngest are supposed to go back to her this evening. They don't want to tho, nbut at preset I don't have a choice.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on December 27, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
I'm sorry to hear that but happy you are still keeping the youngest. Who knows, this might also be a foot in the doir for the older two being there more often, or dare I hope, eventually just staying with you.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 30, 2021, 08:16:11 PM
It's the middle one that lives with me, but I still have all three, all three are supposed to go back to with her tomorrow but she keeps giving excuses as to why they can't. She married the man 2 days ago without saying anything to anyone. My children are a mess right now my oldest has started talking about suicide and drug use, my youngest lashes out maniacally. She will not listen when any of them try to talk to her about the situation it's always "you are going to have a strong hard dose in reality when you get home", "you are going to learn not to disrespect me" and "it's what I want, so that how it's going to be" I m supposed to punish my son because he says he doesn't want to deal with her anymore. She tells him it's not his home to keep his opinion out of things, what her husband does isn't any of his business. My son (14) has come to me wanting to talk to the police. He wants to go to the psyche ward and get therapy, all he will say is it has to do with his private areas but doesn't want to talk about it. I'm trying to save up the $5000 dollars for my lawyer she claims she has one already and has all this stuff against me. She stated that once she gets the kids home I'm never you to see them again because my son spoke to his grandmother (her mom). I do know she plans to move almost 3 states away in March. It seems she is getting more and more unstable.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on December 31, 2021, 08:23:50 AM
Is there any way your son can get the help he asked for? Is he on any knd of insurance? If not, I think you should try to get a social worker involved asap. My heart breaks for all if you.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Boat Babe on December 31, 2021, 11:16:09 AM
Quote from: square on December 31, 2021, 08:23:50 AM
Is there any way your son can get the help he asked for? Is he on any knd of insurance? If not, I think you should try to get a social worker involved asap. My heart breaks for all if you.

:yeahthat:

Please get social workers involved.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 31, 2021, 05:19:41 PM
I'm pretty sure she plans to give her new husband custody of the kids. All she told me the other day was that there were some big changes coming and neither me or our son were going to like them.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Poison Ivy on December 31, 2021, 05:45:18 PM
Can you remind us, Gettintired76? Are you the biological father of the children, and if you are, have your parental rights been terminated?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on December 31, 2021, 11:47:29 PM
I am the biological father of all three and no I have not signed my rights away.  She came to my mothers house tonight and it was a real shit show.  She claims she has pressed charges against my family for abuse ( my sister put her hand on the back of my youngest daughters neck and escorted her out of her room). I'm at my wits end she is lawyered up and has smeared mine and my family's name across 2 counties. I just don't understand what happened just 3 months ago we were soul mates and getting married and now I'm her worst enemy and I just don't even know her anymore. I never dreamed she would choose a man over her children. You'd think she would at least want her kids in her wedding. My son said her new guy doesn't even want the girls. I'm seriously about to either break down and cry or vomit. I just don't know what to do it's like she has total control over everything. I don't even have a right to keep my dog. She is coming to take her in a couple days and I have no say in it.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 01, 2022, 09:13:56 PM
So all three went back to her yesterday, I am no longer allowed to keep them as ordered by both her and my own family. My family's idea is for me to get custody just so I can give them to someone else. I have never been allowed to make my own decisions on anything, it's always been instead of actually getting everything set up and worked out, I'm just supposed to give up. Well I can't give up they are my children. Not some random toys I can't just discard.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Poison Ivy on January 01, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Is there a court order for custody or placement?
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 02, 2022, 12:39:32 AM
Not yet that I know of but she claims she has a lawyer that she has told I have child abuse charges in the other state we lived in... I don't. She has told them I have been abusive to her supposedly showed texts and photos proving it and has shown photos and texts of abuse to the kids from my sisters.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 02, 2022, 12:43:05 AM
Just suddenly in the past month she has decided to absolutely destroy everyone in her prior life, and is with him and his friend who is also a murderer. Leaves my 10 yr old alone with the "friend" whom she has known only a month. Just the speed of everything and how she has changed and what she has changed into it scares me. So many redflags
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 02, 2022, 01:04:17 AM
Oh and one other the infections both of my daughters are constantly coming to my house with. My youngest has had at least three fingernail infections in the last 2 months. My middle one had a blister on her ankle no more thin a quarter inch that turned into a golfball sized infection after her mother had her for a week, she has had numerous bouts of strep, and both have had at least two bouts of urinary infection and yeast infection. My son has some kind of growth on his forehead that looks like some kind of wart or something.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: escapingman on January 02, 2022, 06:32:21 AM
Getintired76, it is time for you to get your fighting gloves on. You don't have time to feel sorry for yourself, involve whoever needs involving (social, police, whoever), it seems like you have nothing to lose. I am rooting for you from the roof tops!
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on January 02, 2022, 09:07:38 AM
Hon, you need to take action. You have described a very serious situation. In addition to all the physical, emotional, and medical stuff, all three of your children are showing red flags for sexual abuse.

People are always deciding things for you, you say. It's time to make your own choices. You can do this.

Your family will help you get custody - so you can give the kids to someone else? Great! Let them help you get a lawyer. Get custody. THEN THEY ARE YOURS. They try taking the kids call the police. TOO BAD, FAM.

Your ex will lie about you in court? GOOD. She'll be expected to provide evidence. Judges don't really like liars.

Get CPS involved. Call in the calvary. Your kids are asking you to. You can do this.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 02, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
I reread the declaration of paternity I and my ex signed for my son, not only has my so had my name since 2018 They also granted me joint custody of him. SMH it was never really explained to me at the time .
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 02, 2022, 05:35:43 PM
I happen to have a copy of the paternity declaration for my son, his name was legally changed to mine in 2018 I did not realize this and she has continued to use her name on his paperwork, also it states we have joint physical and legal custody of him.  Now as for the girls at least as far as I have read even tho I am in fact on there BC's I still have to go to court to gain custody.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Boat Babe on January 02, 2022, 06:56:00 PM
I concur with everyone here. F**k her and go all out for your kids. Get police and social workers involved. Get some support for yourself as well. This is going to be difficult but you HAVE to do this.

Sending buckets of support and courage.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 03, 2022, 08:00:42 AM
I am speaking to my lawyer today, as for CPS that will be hard because she refuses to give me the address where she is now living.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on January 03, 2022, 08:23:40 AM
I'm so proud of you for contacting the lawyer.

CPS could still easily be involved. You can file a report. Your children probably know the location - hopefully you'll see them soon. There's also school records.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 03, 2022, 05:47:39 PM
She won't tell the kids the address because she doesn't want them to tell me. The BOE is on the hunt for I spoke to them this morning, it seems the kids have been truant while in her care and they had no idea she moved.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on January 03, 2022, 05:50:43 PM
Wow. This could eventually play in your favor.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 03, 2022, 08:11:57 PM
I will admit that I had the girls the last two weeks of school before break, my youngest came to me yet again sick, and they both ended up missing a week of school. The middle suffering her second bout of strep, the youngest had an URI. My ex herself almost lost her arm mid forearm in October due to MERSA from cutting with a dirty razor blade. Before I left I was finding razor blades broken up everywhere and hidden in her work bag, her sister lived with her for a bit and said it only got worse. I know I caught the girls and our dogs playing with them a couple times and had to get them and throw them away.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 04, 2022, 01:20:34 AM
I was wandering about something, the situation with my daughter and how they do her with animals. My ex and I had to Boston Terriers together that had a few litters of puppies, she had let my youngest keep a pup from a previous litter, however my middle daughter wanted to keep the runt from the newest litter here at my house with his mother. Firstly as soon as she met her new man every dog we had owned was made to get rid of, the male dog was my middle daughters dog and she wasn't even allowed to say goodbye, nor was my youngest with her dog. The mother is still here at my house. My ex gave the aforementioned runt to me to keep for our daughter, then a couple days later took him supposedly for worming then a month later gave him back, then again took him away and this time gave him away behind mine and my daughter's back. Just before this she gave my daughter a kitten to stay with me (because her husband won't let it stay there) last week she let the kid take it home with her but tonight at 10:30 had our 14 yr old bring it back to me. My kids especially my 11 yr old has had every animal she has bonded with taken from her in the last 2 months and has had some very vicious things said to her pertaining to them. My ex's hubby once told the child (and my ex verified this) that " he was going to kill her puppy skin it feed her the body and put its feet and head on a dummy and put it on her dresser with a tag that said her pet". Under the guise of just joking. Anyway is there anyway I can get my daughter's puppy back if I find out who she gave it to? I mean wouldn't that be theft and receiving stolen property? I have photos and hospital bills proving he was mine not hers.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Boat Babe on January 04, 2022, 03:43:34 AM
All of this is extreme abuse. Please document. Please liaise as much as possible with the school.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 04, 2022, 03:57:52 AM
I am and he has also told them he buys them nice things so he can take them away and laugh at them.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 04, 2022, 04:28:59 AM
My son told and my ex verified it to be true that the man drinks 4-6 tall boy (25 oz) beers a day or more including while he is driving with the kids in the car and without a license, my ex's excuse for him was he's fine he's below the "limit."  She fails to realize the have buzzed driving laws here. The "limit" doesn't really matter anymore and the open container laws don't have anything to do with the "limit".
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 07, 2022, 12:30:14 AM
So I talk to my lawyer on Monday, I have been on the phone with our previous states juvenile court and health dept about my sons birth certificate. I found she's not going to have as easy a road as she thinks either.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on January 07, 2022, 06:54:10 AM
I think you are in a stronger position than you think.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: Gettintired76 on January 07, 2022, 08:15:06 AM
It's looking that way but I don't want to get my hopes up. I have however gotten ahold of a real and honestly good job. I'll be going back to driving a truck. Local tho not OTR. They paid to get your CDL's, home almost every night, close to $1700 a week and a $10,000 sign on bonus. I just have to come up with the $450 to get my regular driver's license back.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
Post by: square on January 07, 2022, 08:20:04 AM
WOW that is perfect!!! Love that it's local too!! What a development - this could really change things!

I don't like to get my hopes up either. But please have enough hope to keep going forward. It's absolutely worth it. The new job also puts you in a very strong position on a number of levels.
Title: Re: Thanksgiving? What to do.
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