Do Christians feel that PD's would struggle to honestly accept Christ?

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babbit

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I know that their are PDs who use religion as a tool for abuse.

Side stepping these fake Christians, do you think a PD is a permanent block to finding God?
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all4peace

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The first person who came to mind was Saul who became Paul. I would not ever say Saul was a PD, but he surely thought he knew what was right/wrong and was willing to persecute and kill to support his viewpoint. If he could be converted and changed, I tend to think anyone could.

That said, uNBPDmil and uNBPDm are both "christians" who don't seem to get the parts about honesty and kindness to one's fellow man, so...

To me this fits into the category of "I'm so glad I don't have to figure this out and can let God deal with it." It is an interesting topic to consider, though, just glad I don't need to know the answers.

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I think that part of PD behavior is a result of the PD's unwillingness to SUBMIT their will to God and live a truly God pleasing life. Subordinating what they want for what God wants is a CHOICE. They choose to focus only on their needs and dont really care about anyone else's needs. They ignore the first part of the Golden rule (which sums up all of Christianity for me): Love they neighbor as thyself. They only love themselves. Thats it. And regardless of whatever trauma they may have suffered that influenced their personality disorder, i still believe that they are free enough to still be able to make the choice to put someone elses needs or wants in front of their own. They just dont WANT to. I believe that if they would humble themselves, repent of their wrongdoings and make life choices that honor God, then yes, they could find God.

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Tried2bZen

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Completely agree with upstream: unwillingness to submit. My BPDM worked 20 years for the same employer and was able to figure out how to adhere to the rules at the workplace - so I am certain she'd be capable of following God's word if she just wanted to...

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Personally, I do NOT believe that NPDs are capable of truly accepting Christ. BPDs might have a chance, but still probably not. As long as narcissism rules their personalities, I just don't see how it's possible other than a divine intervention from Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit Himself (which is possible, because anything is possible with God - the question is though, how likely is that). My BPDm is now reading the Bible, but she still wants to interpret it according to her own whims and other gurus that she likes. She just doesn't get it.

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I don't know. I'd wager to say there are a lot of people claiming to be Christians, reading the Bible, who are doing it all to look good to themselves and their community, but who, in reality, live according to "cheap grace", as Bönhoffer calls it. Thats the kind of watered down babble that allowspeople to call themselves Christians without really living a life of discipleship. Its someone who talks the talk but doesnt walk the walk. Its empty words with no action.  My uNPDh is a pro at seeimg to be the meek humble mild mannered Christian, all the while having been a self centered porn addict for our entire 23 yr marriage. He was a youth group leader who later, when we had kids, ignored manipulated and controlled us. These people are wolves in sheeps clothing, and there are LOTS right there in the church. They twist scripture to mean whatever they want.  Were they truly to seek God, truly want to submit to his commandments, it would show in their actions. It just would.

I'd wager to say they get it, they just dont want to put it into practice and live it out in actions.

Hope I didnt offend anybody, but my uNPDh is the biggest hypocrite I ever met. And he does understand, he's just more interested in managing his image than in getting right with God.

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Side stepping these fake Christians, do you think a PD is a permanent block to finding God?

Absolutely not, in my opinion.

Finding God is not an attribute to be measured with any sort of ruler. Is it measured by humility? Or charity? By a discipline over lust and avarice? I'm not sure we could populate our churches if we spent too much time on this endeavor.

Those who have found God must have some revelation somewhere in their hearts, I suppose. But I see no good to come from investigating who can or cannot find God. I fear the idea that people with Down Syndrome or severe autism, for instance, "cannot" find God due to their limitations.

Finding God is a thing we each should do for ourselves.

And, found God or not, what I expect of every human I meet is to treat me with decency  and respect. I expect every atheist I meet to respect my reasonable boundaries. I expect every PD, every Hindu, every Southern Baptist, to do those real life, functional things that are the mark of kindness and compassion and sympathy.

These are the things I think are fit for a human ruler to measure and to judge.
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Re: Do Christians feel that PD's would struggle to honestly accept Christ?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 05:21:40 PM »
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do you think a PD is a permanent block to finding God?

I think it may depend on where the PD lies on the PD spectrum. I usually think my PD husband is a Christian as he claims to be but I've certainly had doubts over the years.

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Re: Do Christians feel that PD's would struggle to honestly accept Christ?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 06:59:08 PM »
So tricky. My dad is NarcPD. Sat in a pew every Sunday, but if you ask him about God, he says that's a bunch of hooey! I don't think God fits their agenda. If they followed God, it would mean their whole stinking, lying, conniving life was wrong and bad, so God is an inconvenience. But hey, if they sit in church on Sunday, it looks a lot better than not going to church. Especially if they are going to do their dirty work the other six days of the week.

I've heard people say they go to church just to be a part of something and to look like they are a Christian, but have no care or idea about God.  That is so hard to fathom.  :stars: